Holy BibleHowdy Folks,  (Tis page is older.  Please see the original and current  i.e "updated debate" page here: http://hisways.org/about/2012-09-FL-ReligiousLibertyAmend-EM.html )
     I received this email in my commercial email address but wanted to respond in the form of a debate and civil/social ALERT of sorts for Hisways USA, Inc. who first wrote a sample draft amendment concerning Florida's 2006-Blaine-Amendment.htm.   I also wanted to respond as one of  "The People" and as a Hisways USA, Inc. member whose interest in this subject is paramount since the 'Religious Freedom' Amendment will be on the FL General Election ballot on Nov 6th, and to make it this years Parents' State of Education message
(see PSOE current).
    Hisways is interested in this topic because our motto is: "Returning the Bible & Wisdom principles to our public school children by exercising our First Amendment Rights."   Hisways believes that even if we are diligent to do our civil duty at the ballot box; we will not "get America back" until we repent and "get the Bible back" i.e. "The Five Fundamental Judeo-Christian Points To Be Taught in the Schools"  listed below for our public school children, parents and teachers.  We also believe that the Bible in public schools would solve many public school, family, social and political problems.

Debate Overview:
    Americans United for Freedom, author of the initial email, and Hisways USA, Inc., rebutter, while on opposing sides of this issue are not that far apart on our mutual desires for religious liberty.  Hisways is taking a look at the pristine application of the basic Constitutional freedoms and ways to re-gain liberties and get relief for students, parents, teachers and states.  We recommend the Principles of Freedom 101 link below for clarity of the 28 Principles Of Freedom and the 27 Unalienable Rights.  The Americans United for Freedom seem to be seeking the convoluted contortionists application of current judicial decrees which are the root problems and which do not offer any relief.  Rather than write a separate lengthy response, this page is presented as a point, counter-point type of debate online.  I will insert comments or/and links in this green 'Comic Sans' text format into the unedited article to prove or to express a supporting opinion for approving FL's "Religious Freedom" Amendment #8. 

    You might be incredulous by our motto; but here is the agreement by our Founding Fathers of '5 Points' that they used regarding religion in schools which was valid from the ratification of the Constitution in 1789 until SCOTUS' usurpation in 1947 Everson v Bd. of ED. - 158 years!
The Five "Fundamental  Judeo-Christian   Points To Be Taught in the Schools.", The Founders' compact, from "The 5000 Year Leap, Principles of Freedom 101" by W. Cleon Skousen, [ pgs. 77, 78 ] - rek 8/11/09
  1. ___ There exists a Creator who made all things, and mankind should recognize and worship him.
  2. ___ The Creator has revealed a moral code of behavior for happy living which distinguishes right from wrong.
  3. ___ The Creator holds mankind responsible for the way they treat each other.
  4. ___ All mankind live beyond this life.
  5. ___ In the next life mankind are judged for their conduct in this one.

[This was not an establishment of religion nor denomination.  Separation of church and state is a scam where a govt employee's occupation is valued higher than their personhood.  Public schools have become a jackhammer to our national foundations of faith and culture.]  
BTW Evolutionism is a religion and not science.  Watch 15 hours of proof videos online here: TrueScienceCD . Also on that page is a reference link in "Appendix B. Over 3,000 scientific facts which annihilate evolutionary theory."
RE Klenk,
 - "Adopt the vision of a Pristine Constitutional Republicracy." -  rek 11/14/11

PS:  This years September eNewsLetter is different than ususal but we still wanted to promote these national public school programs for students in September: "See You At The Pole", "Truth For Youth Bible Program" and "Bring Your Bibles To School".  This link is last years newsletter but the program links will go to their home pages and current event dates.  2011-09-eNL.SchoolSpirit.html  

PPS:  These items are only mentioned as counter-point statements contrasting the many repetitive statements of the main article.

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On 8/14/2012 09:06, wrote:
----- Forwarded Message -----
From: Jane Sto
Sent: Monday, August 13, 2012 11:08 PM
Subject: Vote NO - Florida Amendment 8, Defend Religious Liberty

To View this Email as a Web Page became a busted link 4/25/13.
A Special Message from Americans United for Freedom Contributor KrisAnne Hall
Americans United For Freedom
Christians MUST NOT Trust Government Over God
By KrisAnne Hall
August 13, 2012
"Separation of Church and State." I know of very few statements that carry so much emotion and so much misconception at the same time.  Our education system stifles religious expression with this phrase. Our court systems have failed America with their rulings misapplying this phrase. Our churches have been negligent to their responsibilities because of this phrase. The culmination of all this wrong doing has led this nation down a dangerous road that, may I boldly say, our Founders never intended.  Hisways agrees.
thomasjefferson.jpgThomas Jefferson penned this phrase on January 1, 1802, in a letter to the Danbury Baptists, assuring them that "the First Amendment has erected a wall of separation between church and state."
His letter explained that they need not fear the establishment of a national denomination – and that while the wall of the First Amendment would protect the church from Government control – there always would be guaranteed open and free religious expression, because true religious expression of decent religious practices and true religious duties would never threaten the purpose of Government. Government would only interfere with a "religious" activity which imperiled justice, posing a direct menace to the Government or to the overall peace and good order of society.  Hisways agrees.
Jefferson was making a statement that the Government has no business in the affairs of the church – period. If you take into account the very words of Jefferson it is clear that he never intended for the people's Government to attempt to eradicate every evidence or mention of God from any arena of society. The intent of the Founders was not to establish the Government as a God-free zone, but to ensure that matters of religious conscience and practice remained a Government-free zone, except where in such an anomalous case "its principles break out into overt acts against peace and good order."  Hisways agrees.
Thomas Jefferson said, "Can the liberties of a nation be thought secure when we have removed their only firm basis, a conviction in the minds of the people that these liberties are a gift from God?"  All of these statements point to the egregious religious usurpations by The Supreme Court (SCOTUS). See this web slide presentation: Hisways.org/about/ChurchStateTyranny/index.html for the irrefutable, prima facie "DUAL AND EQUAL AND PARALLEL" Walls of Separation test that SCOTUS should have known and  designed instead of the spurious "Lemon Test"!   See the web slide presentation for chronic and egregious SCOTUS failures in the misapplication of the 1st and 14th Amendments.
jamesgblaine1.jpgWith this in mind, I must note that many states are mistakenly pushing forward legislation to remove restrictions on the use of Government funding for religious based activities or institutions. The argument in favor of such legislation claims preventing or restricting Government money to religious organizations is an expression of religious bigotry and discrimination. In some instances this may be true, but in virtually any case, the political "cure" being proposed is worse than the disease. Florida currently has this issue on their November ballot. Florida's Amendment 8, titled "Religious Freedom," is a misnomer to say the least. If this Amendment or others like it are passed they will actually be detrimental to Religious Liberty.  Hisways believes that sharing community taxes collected for education of children with those parents desiring educational options for their child is govt permitting parental choices.  There is no religion or church in the previous statement.  If you assume that there is then you have assumed that the child and parent are slaves of the government education plantation; and what the slaves do is the same as the govt doing.
Amendment 8 is an effort to repeal the Blaine Amendment, a common provision in many state Constitutions. That is correct; it is in some STATE constitutions but not in all of the states (see our "Blaine" link below).  The Blaine Amendment reads in part:
"No revenue of the state or any political subdivision or agency thereof shall ever be taken from the public treasury directly or indirectly in aid of any church, sect, or religious denomination or in aid of any sectarian institution."
The proposed measure would amend Section 3 of Article I of the Florida Constitution to read:
Text of Section 3: Religious Freedom
There shall be no law respecting the establishment of religion or prohibiting or penalizing the free exercise thereof. Religious freedom shall not justify practices inconsistent with public morals, peace, or safety. No individual or entity may be discriminated against or barred from receiving funding on the basis of religious identity or belief. No revenue of the state or any political subdivision or agency thereof shall ever be taken from the public treasury directly or indirectly in aid of any church, sect, or religious denomination or in aid of any sectarian institution.
The yellow box shows the original text with the underline statement added and the strikethrough text to be deleted.  Hisways.org has written: The Blaine Amendments And Hisways PLAVNIC Resolution For Redress From The Court's Secular Religion in Public Schools because government is already funding a religion.  It is The Secular Humanist Religion.  It is an ugly, false religion from which public school PARENTS want relief via: short-term vouchers/scholarships or/and preferably, long-term "5 Points of religion" back in schools.  Some TAXPAYERS would also like to NOT fund The Secular Humanist Religion.   See also this prophetically true discourse from 1890 (yes 1890!) regarding 'centralized government education': The "Engine" of Atheism .  See also these talking points: How To Disestablish The Secular Religion: Using Thomas Jefferson's Model.).   Opponents of the Blaine Amendment claim that the restriction upon using Government funds for religious purposes or institutions is an attempt to discriminate against religions. The truth is the Blaine Amendment is rooted in principles dedicated to the preservation of Religious Liberty and the prevention of Government intrusion into the church.  (James G. Blaine was a 1876 Presidential candidate who tried to get government funding of Catholic religious schools outlawed by Protestant state legislatures; but courts have consistently used the language to quash "free expression" of America's default religion i.e. everything Christian! )
patrickhenry2.jpgIn our ignorance, we are repeating a battle in American history that our founders already fought and settled. (I think all of the Founders were deceased by 1876 when Blaine championed his amendment.) Shortly after the ratification of the Constitution and Bill of Rights, several legislators, Patrick Henry being one, put forth a bill to pay Christian Teachers with tax dollars. The bill was titled, A Bill Establishing A Provision for Teachers of the Christian Religion. The purpose of this bill was to pay Christian teachers' salaries out of collected tax revenue. Patrick Henry was a great defender of Liberty and an ardent Christian. In this case, his desire to defend the faith blinded him to the dangers of inviting the Government into the church in the form of tax subsidies. Fortunately, there were other legislators present that knew the dangers of such an act, and their stand helped to clarify why good intentions can lead to dangerous destinations.  Hisways is NOT in favor of the government paying Christian teachers either, so let the parents or even the taxpayers themselves have the accountability for vouchers/scholarships.  We do NOT have 1st Amendment religious freedom if Christian public school students, parents, teachers; or government contractors have to give up their religious convictions in school or upon acceptance of a contract.
To understand why it is wrong for tax dollars to pay for religious activities, we must really think about the process as a whole. When the Government pays a person or an organization to perform a service with tax dollars, that individual or organization places themselves under the oversight of the Government, much like an employee.   Right and parents should be required to show that the voucher/scholarship was used for the education of their choice.  Since, tax dollars are not the property of the Government but of the American people, the American people cannot allow the Government to spend their money with no accountability. Therefore, regulation of Government spending of taxpayer dollars is required. So, to take tax dollars invites Government regulation, influence and control into the religious organization. (NO but on the individual)  In opposition to Henry's Bill, an "Association of Ministers and Delegates" wrote this response:
"No man or set of Men are entitled to exclusive or separate Emoluments or Privileges from the Community but in consideration of Public Services. (Quoting the Virginia Declaration of Rights (1776)) If, therefore, the State provides a Support for Preachers of the Gospel, and they receive it in Consideration of their Services, they must certainly when they preach, act as Officers of the State and ought to be accountable thereto for their Conduct.…"  So let the parent, taxpayer or an independent corporation (clearinghouse?) have the accountability for vouchers/scholarships or contracts; they are the WALL that stops government and SCOTUS so that there is no conflict with social service ministries, preachers or religious schools.  BTW, in 1776 the gov't would not be able to hire 'Preachers of the Gospel' who would give up their free will conscience, freedom of speech and freedom of religion.
When tax dollars are spent, the organization or individual using those funds becomes a quasi-Government agent and thus opens itself up to Government control.  The Government cannot allow the use of tax dollars in a way that will discriminate based upon criteria such as race, gender, religion, creed, etc. So if a religious organization accepts tax dollars for the performance of a service, the Government must regulate that organization's activity and prevent discriminatory practices.  So if a nonprofit or for profit educational organization is already, legally performing a service then government is already regulating the organization.  The organization can no longer perform its service free to the dictates of their religious convictions, but must adhere to a non-discriminatory practice as regulated and dictated by the Government.  In 1776, our founders believed that taking tax dollars into the churches was paramount to the destruction of religious liberty:  Hisways agrees. (See SCOTUS FAILURES slide presentation link.)
"the Consequence of this is, that those whom the state employs in its Service, it has a right to regulate and dictate to; it may judge and determine who shall preach; when and where they shall preach. The mutual obligations between Preachers and Societies they belong to… must evidently be weakened – Yea, farewell to the Bill of Rights!"  Hisways believes this quote came from: www.supreme.courts.state.tx.us/ebriefs/03/03099502.pdf where TX Dept of ED. tried to intervene into and control the content of seminary curriculum!  
There are two main problems with Amendment 8. First, proponents of Amendment 8 professes that individuals motivated by "religious convictions" often engage in the same types of services offered by the Government and therefore should be eligible for Government funding.
"WHEREAS, their religious convictions motivate some Floridians to establish religiously affiliated schools, hospitals, adoption agencies, and other benevolent institutions that provide valuable services to society and to receive or utilize such valuable services from these benevolent providers, which could be subsidized by the state through public programs," (emphasis added)  This quote is used in a biased manner and came from http://laws.flrules.org/2011/r1471; which is a 3 page pdf file that more than justifies removal of Blaine from the FL Constitution.
However, the Government's benevolent services are not and cannot be motivated by religious convictions and they cannot provide religiously affiliated services because non-discriminatory requirements will not allow it.  The author is still trying to negociate through the SCOTUS CASE FAILUREs of 1st Amendment and non-discrimination laws which infringes on free assembly.  A private organization operating on religious conviction to establish religiously affiliated services will have to check those beliefs at the door, (not if free expression is upheld via DUAL, EQUAL and PARALLEL Walls of Separation, see ChurchStateTyranny/index.html)  if they want to operate using Government funding.  To do otherwise would compel those who do not share those convictions to provide funding for them. This compulsion is unconstitutional and immoral.   Then the compulsory (monopolistic) govt. school attendance and indoctrination into The Secular Humanist Religious (i.e. atheistic) Public Schools is unconstitutional and immoral.
"to compel a man to furnish contributions of money for the propagation of opinions which he disbelieves, is sinful and tyrannical;" Thomas Jefferson, The Virginia Act for Establishing Religious Freedom, 1786.  Hisways AGREES!  TAXPAYERS need relief from funding the Secular Humanist Religion of our local public school. See How To Disestablish The Secular Religion: Using Thomas Jefferson's Model.
By becoming funded by the Government, the original intent motivating the Floridians to action is nullified and they are no longer able to operate with religious conviction under a religious affiliation.
The second problem lies within the first. Person's acting upon "religious convictions" ought to also believe those religious convictions. To profess to operate under the conviction and direction of God and then demand the Government to provide money, is a violation of the First Commandment.  So let me as a TAXPAYER of public education select the school of my choice, including private nonprofit or for profit, competitive schools to FUND the education of my neighborhood children according to the values of the community.
"[using tax dollars for religiously based programs] tends also to corrupt the principles of that very religion it is meant to encourage, by bribing, with a monopoly of worldly honors and emoluments," Thomas Jefferson, The Virginia Act for Establishing Religious Freedom, 1786. Hisways agrees; TAXPAYERS need relief. (See also 5 Points that Jefferson did not disagree with and also this essay to Disestablish Secular Religion in schools.)
jamesmadison2.jpgIt tells a world of nonbelievers that even believers cannot trust God to provide for the needs of His children, and that all must rely on Government. It takes a nation that pledges to be "one nation under God" and tells the world we are actually "one nation under Government." This shameful display of lack of faith undermines the believers dependence on God, and undermines the gospel itself, declaring to the world that God is NOT sufficient to provide for our needs on earth, so how can we trust Him with eternal things?  In Principles of Freedom 101  we learn that "We, The People" are God's delegates and are responsible for the living conditions under our government and that we must maintain our liberties or loose them. Hisways believes we should return the Bible to schools and adopt the vision of a pristine Constitutional Republicracy.
Religion not invented by human policy, must have pre-existed and been supported, before it was established by human policy. [Relying upon Government provisions serves] to weaken in those who profess this Religion a pious confidence in its innate excellence and the patronage of its Author; and to foster in those who still reject it, a suspicion that its friends are too conscious of its fallacies to trust it to its own merits. James Madison, A Memorial and Remonstrance, 1785. (Hisways agrees. This was a bill to establish a govt agency to fund and employ Christian teachers throughout VA.  http://religiousfreedom.lib.virginia.edu/sacred/madison_m&r_1785.html )
The true application of the principle of "separation of church and state" is one that was won with over 700 years of battle. Hisways believes the true application of the principle of separation of church and state TYRANNY is enforcing the DUAL, EQUAL and PARALLEL Walls of Separation.   This principle, that teaches that Government has no place in the church, is wrecked by the likes of Florida's Amendment 8, where Christians, themselves, beg for their own destruction. I am amazed that in light of the current battle to keep the Government out of our churches in the matter of healthcare mandates, that Christians can even consider demanding Government money for programs established upon religious convictions. Haven't we seen well enough that where the Government is invited in, it will soon run the house? How can we with clear conscience declare the Government has no right to force a religion to operate outside its conscience and provide healthcare contrary to its beliefs and with the same body demand the Government give the church money?  (Let the parent be the WALL between govt and their educational choice.)
"Well aware that Almighty God hath created the mind free; that all attempts to influence it by temporal punishments or burdens, or by civil incapacitations, tend only to beget habits of hypocrisy and meanness, and are a departure from the plan of the Holy Author of our religion," Thomas Jefferson, The Virginia Act for Establishing Religious Freedom, 1786.
It is time for Christians of all denominations to live their testimony and show the world that we serve a living God who is sufficient in both eternal AND temporal things. How else can we be not just hearers of the word but also doers?  Hisways USA, Inc believes that our God given testimony is to show the world that the Blaine Amendments, the Supreme Court FAILUREs and other government usurpations have victimized American Christians; and, relief is required which might involve "State Nullification of Federal Laws and Decrees" by the 10th Amendment.   (See SCOTUS FAILS slide presentation.)
No man can serve two masters: for either he will hate the one, and love the other; or else he will hold to the one, and despise the other. Ye cannot serve God and mammon. Wherefore, if God so clothe the grass of the field, which today is and tomorrow is cast into the oven, shall he not much more clothe you, O ye of little faith? But seek ye first the kingdom of God, and his righteousness; and all these things shall be added unto you. Matthew 6:24, 30, 33.
Christians, do what is right, TRUST IN GOD, and vote NO on Amendment 8.  Hisways suggests a YES vote.
Keep Faith,
KrisAnne Hall
Americans United for Freedom

KrisAnneHallLogo.jpgKrisAnne Hall is a former prosecutor and Constitutional attorney who was fired from her job for teaching the Constitution to citizen groups. She is a disabled veteran of the US Army, a Russian linguist, a mother, a pastor's wife and a patriot. Her former employer, State Attorney for Florida's 3rd Judicial Circuit, gave her a choice – give up her First Amendment right to speak on her own time or be fired. KrisAnne said, "My First Amendment rights are worth more than a paycheck and I will not surrender them." She now travels the country and teaches the Constitution and the history that gave us our founding documents. We are proud to have KrisAnne as a contributor to Americans United for Freedom.  (Here is a perfect example of the need for "DUAL and EQUAL and PARALLEL Walls of Separation" from government tyranny.)
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