Holy BibleHowdy Folks,  (This page is the heavily edited eMail version.  Please see the "updated original debate" that is linked here:  Hisways.org/about/2012-09-FL-ReligiousLibertyAmend.html  )
     I received this email in my commercial email address but wanted to respond in the form of a debate and civil/social ALERT of sorts for Hisways USA, Inc. who first wrote a sample draft amendment concerning Florida's 2006-Blaine-Amendment.htm.   I also wanted to respond as one of  "The People" and as a Hisways USA, Inc. member whose interest in this subject is paramount since the 'Religious Freedom' Amendment will be on the FL General Election ballot on Nov 6th, and to make it this years Parents' State of Education message (PSOE current).
    Hisways is interested in this topic because our motto is: "Returning the Bible & Wisdom principles to our public school children by exercising our First Amendment Rights."   Hisways believes that even if we are diligent to do our civil duty at the ballot box; we will not "get America back" until we repent and "get the Bible back" i.e. "The Five Fundamental Judeo-Christian Points To Be Taught in the Schools"  listed below for our public school children, parents and teachers.  We also believe that the Bible in public schools would solve many public school, family, social and political problems.

Debate Overview:
    Americans United for Freedom, author of the initial email, and Hisways USA, Inc., rebutter, while on opposing sides of this issue are not that far apart on our mutual desires for religious liberty.  Hisways is taking a look at the pristine application of the basic Constitutional freedoms and ways to re-gain liberties and get relief for students, parents, teachers and states.  We recommend the Principles of Freedom 101 link below for clarity of the 28 Principles Of Freedom and the 27 Unalienable Rights.  The Americans United for Freedom seem to be seeking the convoluted contortionists application of current judicial decrees which are the root problems and which do not offer any relief.  Rather than write a separate lengthy response, this page is presented as a point, counter-point type of debate online.  I will insert comments or/and links in this green 'Comic Sans' text format into the unedited article to prove or to express a supporting opinion for approving FL's "Religious Freedom" Amendment #8. 

    You might be incredulous by our motto; but here is the agreement by our Founding Fathers of '5 Points' that they used regarding religion in schools which was valid from the ratification of the Constitution in 1789 until SCOTUS' usurpation in 1947 Everson v Bd. of ED. - 158 years!
The Five "Fundamental  Judeo-Christian   Points To Be Taught in the Schools.", The Founders' compact, from "The 5000 Year Leap, Principles of Freedom 101" by W. Cleon Skousen, [ pgs. 77, 78 ] - rek 8/11/09
  1. ___ There exists a Creator who made all things, and mankind should recognize and worship him.
  2. ___ The Creator has revealed a moral code of behavior for happy living which distinguishes right from wrong.
  3. ___ The Creator holds mankind responsible for the way they treat each other.
  4. ___ All mankind live beyond this life.
  5. ___ In the next life mankind are judged for their conduct in this one.

[This was not an establishment of religion nor denomination.  Separation of church and state is a scam where a govt employee's occupation is valued higher than their personhood.  Public schools have become a jackhammer to our national foundations of faith and culture.]  
BTW Evolutionism is a religion and not science.  Watch 15 hours of proof videos online here: TrueScienceCD . Also on that page is a reference link in "Appendix B. Over 3,000 scientific facts which annihilate evolutionary theory."
Sincerely,
RE Klenk,
 - "Adopt the vision of a Pristine Constitutional Republicracy." -  rek 11/14/11

PS:  This years September eNewsLetter is different than ususal but we still wanted to promote these national public school programs for students in September: "See You At The Pole", "Truth For Youth Bible Program" and "Bring Your Bibles To School".  This link is last years newsletter but the program links will go to their home pages and current event dates.  2011-09-eNL.SchoolSpirit.html  

PPS:  These items are only mentioned as counter-point statements contrasting the many repetitive statements of the main article; so that, there are no deletions from the authors email.



On 8/14/2012 09:06, wrote:
----- Forwarded Message -----
From: Jane Sto
Sent: Monday, August 13, 2012 11:08 PM
Subject: Vote NO - Florida Amendment 8, Defend Religious Liberty


A Special Message from Americans United for Freedom Contributor KrisAnne Hall
Americans United For Freedom
VOTE NO – FLORIDA AMENDMENT 8
DEFEND RELIGIOUS LIBERTY
RESIST OBAMACARE
Christians MUST NOT Trust Government Over God
By KrisAnne Hall
www.AmericansUnitedforFreedom.com
August 13, 2012
"Separation of Church and State." I know of very few statements that carry so much emotion and so much misconception at the same time.  Our education system stifles religious expression with this phrase. Our court systems have failed America with their rulings misapplying this phrase. Our churches have been negligent to their responsibilities because of this phrase. The culmination of all this wrong doing has led this nation down a dangerous road that, may I boldly say, our Founders never intended.  Hisways agrees.
VOTE NO ON AMENDMENT 8! – PROTECT FREEDOM OF RELIGION
NO FALSE CHOICES BETWEEN GOD'S LAW AND GOVERNMENT
thomasjefferson.jpgThomas Jefferson penned this phrase on January 1, 1802, in a letter to the Danbury Baptists, assuring them that "the First Amendment has erected a wall of separation between church and state."
His letter explained that they need not fear the establishment of a national denomination – and that while the wall of the First Amendment would protect the church from Government control – there always would be guaranteed open and free religious expression, because true religious expression of decent religious practices and true religious duties would never threaten the purpose of Government. Government would only interfere with a "religious" activity which imperiled justice, posing a direct menace to the Government or to the overall peace and good order of society.  Hisways agrees.
Jefferson was making a statement that the Government has no business in the affairs of the church – period. If you take into account the very words of Jefferson it is clear that he never intended for the people's Government to attempt to eradicate every evidence or mention of God from any arena of society. The intent of the Founders was not to establish the Government as a God-free zone, but to ensure that matters of religious conscience and practice remained a Government-free zone, except where in such an anomalous case "its principles break out into overt acts against peace and good order."  Hisways agrees.
Thomas Jefferson said, "Can the liberties of a nation be thought secure when we have removed their only firm basis, a conviction in the minds of the people that these liberties are a gift from God?"  All of these statements point to the egregious religious usurpations by The Supreme Court (SCOTUS). See this web slide presentation: Hisways.org/about/ChurchStateTyranny/index.html for the irrefutable, prima facie "DUAL AND EQUAL AND PARALLEL" Walls of Separation test that SCOTUS should have known and  designed instead of the spurious "Lemon Test"!   See the web slide presentation for  chronic, egregious SCOTUS failures in the misapplication of the 1st and 14th Amendments.
jamesgblaine1.jpgWith this in mind, I must note that many states are mistakenly pushing forward legislation to remove restrictions on the use of Government funding for religious based activities or institutions. The argument in favor of such legislation claims preventing or restricting Government money to religious organizations is an expression of religious bigotry and discrimination. In some instances this may be true, but in virtually any case, the political "cure" being proposed is worse than the disease. Florida currently has this issue on their November ballot. Florida's Amendment 8, titled "Religious Freedom," is a misnomer to say the least.  If this Amendment or others like it are passed they will actually be detrimental to Religious Liberty.  Hisways believes that sharing community taxes collected for education of children with those parents desiring educational options for their child is govt permitting parental choices.  There is no religion or church in the previous statement.  If you assume that there is then you have assumed that the child and parent are slaves of the government education plantation; and what the slaves do is the same as the govt doing.
VOTE NO ON AMENDMENT 8! – PROTECT FREEDOM OF RELIGION
NO FALSE CHOICES BETWEEN GOD'S LAW AND GOVERNMENT
Amendment 8 is an effort to repeal the Blaine Amendment, a common provision in many state Constitutions. That is correct; it is in some STATE constitutions but not in all of the states (see our "Blaine" link below).  The Blaine Amendment reads in part: . . .

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